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Subject: Re: WINVNEWS Reader Message-ID: posting problem

>>>>> "ds" == Doug Sewell <[e-mail]> writes:

  ds> This isn't a fix for you, but it may help explain (I'm talking
  ds> from foggy memory, so the details are a bit weak, but you'll
  ds> have the idea):

  ds> The NNTP spec doesn't require that the NNTP server or back end
  ds> provide headers that are missing because the newsreader doesn't
  ds> generate them.  This seems to have been the practice because
  ds> NNTP 1.n implemenations invoked inews, which came with Unix B-
  ds> and C-News and provided headers the reader didn't provide.  INN
  ds> has continued this practice, where the NNRPD provides headers
  ds> not included in the incoming post, but if they're present,
  ds> that's OK too.

I don't know which server he's using, but I know that INN, cnews+nntp-ref,
and ANU news all provide a message-id.  I don't have rfc1036 here
at home, so I can't check if it's required to be in the post already.

  ds> One major VMS news software package (which combined both the
  ds> NNTP support and the news back-end, much like INN) was
  ds> implemented strictly from the RFC's, and so when it receives a
  ds> post, it assumes all of the headers are provided by the reader.

The only vms server I know of is ANU News.

  ds> Last time I looked at it, Trumpet provided all of the headers.
  ds> Chances are WinVnews isn't providing all of them.  It probably
  ds> should be added (IMHO).

WinVN contains code to generate message id's, but it's commented
out.  Many sites have so many pc's that most of them are not registered
in the DNS.  You need an FQDN to generate a valid message-id.

Probably the correct thing to do is generate one if it can, and leave
it out otherwise.

This is the only complaint I've seen on this issue, though.

-Sam
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From: [e-mail] (David E. Dalke)
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Subject: Re: Possibly a GREAT Winsock Telnet?!?!?!

>Doug Jones ([e-mail]) wrote:
>: In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michael A. Grassi)
>writes:
>: >I don't know if this is a "kosher" thing to do, but I downloaded the VxD beta
>: >from ftp.microsoft.com, and I didn't install it, but I just took the
>: >telnet.exe and ftp.exe files out, and I use them with Trumpet Winsock...The
>: >telnet is real good, but I want to know if I am doing something "wrong,"
>: >hopefully not illegal....
>: >Mike
>: >[e-mail]

>: Nope, not if understand the license agreement which you also downloaded.
>: I'd say you just became a "registered" beta tester for their telnet and ftp
>: apps. In my opinion, the readme and license texts don't imply any sort of
>: all or nothing arrangement. However, they do obligate you to give them
>: feedback about any problems or bugs you find - what a concept! The only
>: price you pay is that you have to promise to complain - most of us should
>: love that!!

>I couldn't find this on ftp.microsoft.com, anywhere.  Did they delete it,
>and if they didn't, could someone post/mail me the path to get to it?
>Thanks in advance!

You have to download the whole MS VxD Beta (Daytona) from microsoft.com in
order to get the telnet client.
ftp.microsoft.com /peropsys/wfw/tcpip/vxdbeta/mstcpb2.exe
Run the self extracting file and the telnet client should be in there.

Hope it helps!


DD
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> I prefer WinVN, although Peter Tattam is working on a new version of
> Trumpet which may be even better.  The current version of Trumpet is
> available from ftp.cica.indiana.edu and elsewhere.  WinVN is best obtained
> from titan.ksc.nasa.gov in /pub/win3/Winvn/winvnstd*  If you can't connect
> to titan, try its *real* address: 128.159.4.20.

Might I ask the main reasons you prefer WinVN. I was just about to set up
Trumpet and am wondering if I should take a look at WinVN as well ?

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Subject: Q: SLIP/PPP for Winsock/NT



Looked at FTP.MICROSOFT.COM for a SLIP or PPP driver for Win NT's TCP/IP
Winsock.  There is none.

Does anyone know where to find such a driver?